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[20886432]

  Is a head item that has +65 Strength but a refinement that gives 30% chance that your regular attacks grant you a chance to attack twice in a row better than an unrefined head item with +77 Charisma and +63 Finesse with a +5% Finesse refinement?

[TaraBing]

Hey there xx-6432,

 

And another fine question for the likes of CaptC and his mathematical wonderment.

 

Without knowing his answer, (and your other particulars, like your base skills) I am thinking the 30% chances for 2x attacks in a row is going to be the better head-piece.  But to be certain you have to evaluate having the +'s (Charisma and Finesse plusses) on all the time, versus the benefit of an attack 2x in a battle.

 

Does spurring knobs only do 2x attack in a row, once per duelist opponent?

 

-TB 

[mimesis]

In my opinion it all depends on the style and on the colour.

[20886432]

Hey there xx-6432,

 

And another fine question for the likes of CaptC and his mathematical wonderment.

 

Without knowing his answer, (and your other particulars, like your base skills) I am thinking the 30% chances for 2x attacks in a row is going to be the better head-piece.  But to be certain you have to evaluate having the +'s (Charisma and Finesse plusses) on all the time, versus the benefit of an attack 2x in a battle.

 

Does spurring knobs only do 2x attack in a row, once per duelist opponent?

 

-TB 

Yes it is only once per opponent. By the way it is now 29%+ to have the first strike.

Edited by 20886432, 07 November 2017 - 10:55 AM.

[GingerSnaps]

It changed to first strike? In that case I'd rather have the stats, especially if I needed more charisma & finesse (the two most important stats, imho).

[TaraBing]

Hey Ginger, I agree.

 

It changed to first strike? In that case I'd rather have the stats, especially if I needed more charisma & finesse (the two most important stats, imho).

 

Give me the plus stats over the First Strike.  And First strike only goes to max roll of 50%.  First strike doesn't seem like anything special in my opinion.  Thinking about it, when two opponents don't have the refinement of First Strike on, isn't it a 50-50 dice roll who goes first anyhow?  And if you do go first, it's not like 2x strikes in a row... it's just one strike to start out

 

The best refinement of them all is 'zombie boots' as someone described them in another forum, aka 'smelling salts'.  That one is almost worth burning some diamonds on to re-roll refinement for shoes until you get 60% or better.

 

-TB

[CaptC]

If I understand correctly, we are talking about three items:

1. Current headpiece, with +29% to first strike refinement
2. A +65 piece (which stats are irrelevant) with epic spurring knobs (30% chance to get a second strike)
3. A +140 piece with a rare 5% finesse refinement

TLDR: Always take epic spurring knobs. 

 

Comparing the first option with the second: First strike is an OK refinement, for duels and fighting missions, but it is completely useless in studio fights. Spurring Knobs is better in all regards, especially at epic levels. And you get a +65 skill boost too? Take spurring knobs.

 

So, I can't make a complete analysis comparing #2 to #3, because I don't know the value of your finesse basics, I don't know what your total skills value is, and I don't know what kind of damage you do on an average strike.  But I think this is pretty easy, anyway. 

 

I value additional skill points as one extra damage per attack. Option 3 is +75 skills and whatever the finesse refinement gives, compared to Option 2. Over a 10 round fight, that is 750 additional damage, plus 10*the refinement gain.  On the other hand, the Spurring Knobs will almost certainly trigger in a 10 round fight, and that will do your average damage.

 

Almost guaranteed an epic Spurring Knobs will win that comparison, unless you have extraordinarily low strength and poor missiles. (And if you DO have extraordinarily low strength, I would advise you to increase your strength instead of throwing out the Spurring Knobs.)

 

It gets better. In a studio fight, against potentially multiple opponents, very few refinements are better than 30% Knobs. They will often trigger once per opponent, which is potentially awesome amounts of damage.

 

I would take the Knobs hands down, Option 2. Once you get an epic Knobs, very difficult to replace it with anything that doesn't also have epic Spurring Knobs.

[GingerSnaps]

If I understand correctly, we are talking about three items:

1. Current headpiece, with +29% to first strike refinement
2. A +65 piece (which stats are irrelevant) with epic spurring knobs (30% chance to get a second strike)
3. A +140 piece with a rare 5% finesse refinement

TLDR: Always take epic spurring knobs. 

Sadly, what I think 20886432 was saying is that the headpiece was refined again and changed to 29% First Strike. I hope that's not the case and she held onto the epic Spurring Knobs headpiece, but from her wording, it sounds like the former.

[CaptC]

The analysis is the same.  I did not directly compare options 1 and 3, but in case it wasn't apparent: First strike refinement is useless in the place where I most care about the value of refinements.  If it doesn't help you win studio fights, don't take it. Anything else is better,by definition.