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[Bamalamadingdong]

There are many players who are highly ranked above my star, who consistently each and every day hit me the maximum amount of times. I will only lose, say, 30-60 glory every time because they are so highly ranked, but I have no chance of counter attack to recover that glory, and I won't do the same to weaker players because it's really poor form.
I know it's probably not against the rules as such, but it's seriously annoying and "not glorious" as the game would put it. I want to know if I can report repeat offenders (some of them do it for weeks at a time), or if there can be some function to block players from seeing you entirely? I know I can block these people from my messages, but it doesn't stop them from harassing my star. I want to block them entirely so they can't interact with me.

 

It's gotten to the point where my studio has a list of "bullies" that do this, and it's so long I can't keep track of them all.
Any advice on how to put these bullies in their place would be appreciated.

[TaraBing]

Hi Bama...

 

There are many players who are highly ranked above my star, who consistently each and every day hit me the maximum amount of times. I will only lose, say, 30-60 glory every time because they are so highly ranked, but I have no chance of counter attack to recover that glory, and I won't do the same to weaker players because it's really poor form.
I know it's probably not against the rules as such, but it's seriously annoying and "not glorious" as the game would put it. I want to know if I can report repeat offenders (some of them do it for weeks at a time), or if there can be some function to block players from seeing you entirely? I know I can block these people from my messages, but it doesn't stop them from harassing my star. I want to block them entirely so they can't interact with me.

 

It's gotten to the point where my studio has a list of "bullies" that do this, and it's so long I can't keep track of them all.
Any advice on how to put these bullies in their place would be appreciated.

 

So the question is - how do you stop a bully from DUELING you?

 

You can ask them nicely to stop dueling you - does anyone else have a suggestion?  

 

 

-TB 

 

 

PS: BBE is actually a 'fighting game' disguised in a veil of pornographic vellum.  And while the duels are not everyone's favorite part of the game (and are entirely optional), we are still in the midst of this week's Temple Challenge which is WIN DUELS.  This particular challenge brings out even the most pacifist players to fight because everyone wants to help their studio rise up the rankings.

 

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[CaptC]

Well, you are on Nutaku, so I have a suspicion some of my teammates might be on your list.  Heck, I may very well be.

 

My studio (Busty Spiderbabes) doesn't consider dueling to be a personal matter. It is strictly economic - we are farming for the epics. Note we can only get those epics by winning the duel.

 

Right now there is a dueling temple. Complaining about being hit this week is just not reasonable (see below). Again, we only get points for wins.

 

Glory is over-rated. Busty Spiderbabes are teammates, we are competitive, and we will help each other out for position on the board. But that's not our primary reason for dueling.

 

The things we ARE after (temple points and epics) only show up if we win the duel. So as studio boss, I encourage my players to win. Flat out, just fight duels that you will undoubtedly win. Courage is a limited resource, and wasting it on 'fair' fights is simply inefficient. It might not be honorable, but *shrug*. I didn't design the game's mechanics... I just play within the existing mechanics, for the best result for my studio. There is no honor built into the glory board, just diminishing glory returns.

 

That being said, we understand that some players are going to take offense to being 'bullied'. Studio policy is that we ask our players to follow Wheaton's Rule: "Don't Be A Dick". If we are asked nicely, we will try to avoid hitting polite players. But please, actually be polite, and remember that mistakes can happen.

 

We have been threatened ("if your top guys hit me, i will take it out on your lower levels!") which is merely reverse bullying, and we pound the snot out of jerks like that.  I only have a couple of players on my 'beat them up just on general principles list', and they all belong to this category.

 

We have gotten indignant "fight fair!" notes... to which we reply it's not personal, similar to the above.

 

I get requests to control my players from time to time. Again, if asked politely, I will pass the note along to the offending player and ask them to be considerate. If the request is not very polite, I will respond politely with our studio policy, and ignore you until I get a civil request.

 

But all of that goes away on Temple week, and I make sure everyone knows it. If you are an easy win during a temple week, we apologize but we take the easy win. Simple as that.

[mimesis]

My proposal is: enjoy the spanking!!!!! :-D

[CaptC]

Just one last thought:  The higher you are on the board, the fewer number of players that can offer a 'fair fight'.  If you are doing a lot of duels, you can't help but be a bully.

 

Of course, if you are in the top 50, and complaining about someone higher beating you up, one wonders how you got to the top 50... You didn't get there by dueling only against people of your rank or higher.  Just saying.

[mimesis]

Well, besides the spanking temple weeks I only fight with players higher level than me...and I am level 117 in this exact moment...

[mountbara]

When I first started playing the game, I thought much the same thing. As I continued playing and got stronger and those players no longer attacked me, I realized it was how you gained glory points, the stronger feed on the weaker. Currently, the temple is for duels, there will be more dueling than normal. Also, duels are the only way in the game to gain items and notes and diamond without gaining experience, which is huge. Consider the benefits of dropping and attacking weaker players yourself.

There are many players who are highly ranked above my star, who consistently each and every day hit me the maximum amount of times. I will only lose, say, 30-60 glory every time because they are so highly ranked, but I have no chance of counter attack to recover that glory, and I won't do the same to weaker players because it's really poor form.
I know it's probably not against the rules as such, but it's seriously annoying and "not glorious" as the game would put it. I want to know if I can report repeat offenders (some of them do it for weeks at a time), or if there can be some function to block players from seeing you entirely? I know I can block these people from my messages, but it doesn't stop them from harassing my star. I want to block them entirely so they can't interact with me.

 

It's gotten to the point where my studio has a list of "bullies" that do this, and it's so long I can't keep track of them all.
Any advice on how to put these bullies in their place would be appreciated.

[Bamalamadingdong]

Well, you are on Nutaku, so I have a suspicion some of my teammates might be on your list.  Heck, I may very well be.

 

Right now there is a dueling temple. Complaining about being hit this week is just not reasonable (see below). Again, we only get points for wins.

 

But all of that goes away on Temple week, and I make sure everyone knows it. If you are an easy win during a temple week, we apologize but we take the easy win. Simple as that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm only bringing this up now because I've only just joined the forums. We've had this list for many months, maybe since mid-last year? It doesn't only happen during duel temple weeks. As I said, it's day after day, week after week by some players. They just seem to take a dislike to one or a couple of stars and latch on to them to bully.
I'm not that sensitive or easy to offend, if someone does it a few times I don't mind at all (as you say, especially during temple weeks), I'm talking where you have a legitimate case that someone is singling you out.

 

As you say about your strategy, obviously this is the smartest way to play during temple weeks for best results. My personal preference is not to hit the same players a million times though, in fact I actively avoid it. I will go down the list to a player ranked a few hundred levels below me and attack once, then skip through 5 or 10 players and attack once again. This way, even if the list shuffles, I have a really low chance of hitting the same player twice. Nobody normally cares about being hit once, so I just do it once and then move on to someone else. Still get as many defeats in without targeting anyone (I do it at random) or making them feel bullied.

 

Not saying my system is the best way, but if you are worried that someone talking about bullying might be talking about your studio, you might be able to take a similar system on board.

Thanks for the replies guys.
 

I genuinely didn't realise this was a "fighting game" disguised as porn. Duelling doesn't even rank as one of the reasons I play. :/

 

Edit: 

"Also, duels are the only way in the game to gain items and notes and diamond without gaining experience, which is huge. Consider the benefits of dropping and attacking weaker players yourself."

Yes, I understand. Like I said, I just personally prefer not to do it to the same person over and over. They're already weaker and will definitely lose, why hit them over and over? There's literally no shortage of low-ranked players. Therefore I see no reason to constantly attack the same few people. That's all I'm saying.

Edited by Bamalamadingdong, 10 October 2017 - 09:04 PM.

[mountbara]

you get 3 duels per person per day. You can't just tag them over and over again. Honestly it's not that much, and you'll gain a measure of satisfaction when you can beat the people attacking you

 

 

Yes, I understand. Like I said, I just personally prefer not to do it to the same person over and over. They're already weaker and will definitely lose, why hit them over and over? There's literally no shortage of low-ranked players. Therefore I see no reason to constantly attack the same few people. That's all I'm saying.

[mountbara]

For me, this temple does not change my game play at all. I always do 3x duels on every single person I can beat going down the ranking list until I run out of playing time.

[Bamalamadingdong]

you get 3 duels per person per day. You can't just tag them over and over again. Honestly it's not that much, and you'll gain a measure of satisfaction when you can beat the people attacking you

Yeah well it starts to feel like a lot when it's the same people doing it every single day the max amount of times, even if you never retaliate. Try to see it from their perspective, they can't read your mind if they just see your name, the same name, every day attacking them the max amount of times, they're going to start thinking you have a real grudge.

[CaptC]

There are two ways to initiate a duel, Bama.

 

I use Mountbara's technique when I care about glory. As I write this, I am about 600 from the 300K achievement on one avatar, 2500 away on my other avatar, so I care today and I am actively looking for my best glory matchups using the ranking screen.

 

When I am just hunting for epics, which is most of the time, I get lazy and use the dueling screen. It's a couple less clicks to get the duel done. But using the dueling screen tends to concentrate your attacks only on players who are on at the same time. It's not vindictiveness... it's that the same players keep popping up on my screen, because we play at similar times.

 

I remember when I was a relative newcomer, there was a player who kept hitting me for 2 glory.  I was like, what is that all about and asked him if I was really worth his time. He said much the same thing I am going to say, "I don't care about the glory, I'm just getting my duels done as efficiently as I can."

 

So understand what you are asking. Over a 24 hour period, you want me to keep track of how many times I have hit a player who pops up on my duel screen? Remember: I'm on the duel screen because I am being lazy! Plus, my memory isn't that good. If I hit you three times within that 24 hour period, blame the game mechanics. I'm just trying to get my farming done.

 

If you don't like being farmed, talk to me politely. That will make you a person, rather than a just another name on my duel screen.

 

...Or get better. That player hitting me for 2 points? When he even tries me, that player gets something like 60 glory now... But I win every now and again. That's how you measure real progress on the glory board, if you ask me. The points are almost incidental for anything other than achievements.

[Bamalamadingdong]

So understand what you are asking. Over a 24 hour period, you want me to keep track of how many times I have hit a player who pops up on my duel screen? Remember: I'm on the duel screen because I am being lazy! Plus, my memory isn't that good. If I hit you three times within that 24 hour period, blame the game mechanics. I'm just trying to get my farming done.

I probably wouldn't care as much if you hit me 3 times over a 24 hour period, I'd have had plenty of time to see I was hit and dismiss it, and not see you hitting me 3 times in the past minute, which is obviously done deliberately.

As for asking nicely, I took everyone's advice and messaged the player currently doing it to me (they've continued AFTER the temple week stopped) and told them I did not appreciate it and to stop doing it, and they flipped out and called me weak-willed, among other things. I've now have to block them just to stop them from flipping out about it when they should have just accepted it and stopped. 

 

So take that for what you will. It's not that easy to tell people to stop, because you get little tard players like that that think their behaviour is flawless and nobody should criticise them. It's very likely that this kind of person will take my message/blocking as a reason to continue to target me, and I will expect the same over and over for weeks to come, or maybe even from their studio members.
Hence why I'd prefer to just be able to block them from ALL interaction so I don't have to worry about them again. 

I genuinely think this would be a useful feature in the game. I don't think it would hurt gameplay. At the very least it should be taken into consideration, because the reality is that SOME players are just plain *ssholes.

[Bamalamadingdong]

Wow, like magic, I finish my last post and go back to the game to see that player has attacked me AGAIN after being blocked.
 

Sorry for double post, but this is exactly what I mean.

[TaraBing]

Hey Bama,

 

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As for asking nicely, I took everyone's advice and messaged the player currently doing it to me (they've continued AFTER the temple week stopped) and told them I did not appreciate it and to stop doing it, and they flipped out and called me weak-willed, among other things. I've now have to block them just to stop them from flipping out about it when they should have just accepted it and stopped. 

 

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I genuinely think this would be a useful feature in the game. I don't think it would hurt gameplay. At the very least it should be taken into consideration, because the reality is that SOME players are just plain *ssholes.

 

Not everyone will be like that.  And yes, there are some toon-holes in the game.  They can only hit you 3-max per day, and if they are going to be that way, you may as well set your expectations for that.  Don't let a few players ruin the experience for you.  

 

 

-TB 

 

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[CaptC]

I probably wouldn't care as much if you hit me 3 times over a 24 hour period, I'd have had plenty of time to see I was hit and dismiss it, and not see you hitting me 3 times in the past minute, which is obviously done deliberately.

As for asking nicely, I took everyone's advice and messaged the player currently doing it to me (they've continued AFTER the temple week stopped) and told them I did not appreciate it and to stop doing it, and they flipped out and called me weak-willed, among other things. I've now have to block them just to stop them from flipping out about it when they should have just accepted it and stopped. 

 

So take that for what you will. It's not that easy to tell people to stop, because you get little tard players like that that think their behaviour is flawless and nobody should criticise them. It's very likely that this kind of person will take my message/blocking as a reason to continue to target me, and I will expect the same over and over for weeks to come, or maybe even from their studio members.
Hence why I'd prefer to just be able to block them from ALL interaction so I don't have to worry about them again. 

I genuinely think this would be a useful feature in the game. I don't think it would hurt gameplay. At the very least it should be taken into consideration, because the reality is that SOME players are just plain *ssholes.

 

Being hit three times in a row just means someone is using the rankings instead of the duel screen. You should read nothing more into it than that.

 

If you are contacting a player who is higher combat power than you, about not hitting you, style matters greatly.  "I don't like it, stop that" is frankly, not very polite. If you are asking for a favor, you will likely get better results than making a demand. "I am close to the 100K glory mark, would you mind leaving me alone for a few days?" might work better.

 

This is not a pvp intensive mmo, where players can spawn kill you all day. They can only hit you three times a day. That should only be a minor irritation at worst.

 

I will pass along the suggestion that ignoring someone means they can't hit you, but frankly don't expect that to go anywhere.  You can play games with competitive balance that way, too. If I can stop players higher than me from taking glory from me, my rise up the glory ladder will accelerate, and players who have worked themselves higher than me on the ladder will be denied a lucrative target. Doesn't seem fair.

 

If someone is HARASSING you, has an offensive name or is otherwise trying to deliberately annoy you, rather than just play the game, that is separately reportable, of course.

[Bamalamadingdong]

I will pass along the suggestion that ignoring someone means they can't hit you, but frankly don't expect that to go anywhere.  You can play games with competitive balance that way, too. If I can stop players higher than me from taking glory from me, my rise up the glory ladder will accelerate, and players who have worked themselves higher than me on the ladder will be denied a lucrative target. Doesn't seem fair.

I feel like if that's abused (like obviously someone's just blocking 50 or 100 people), that should be bannable, same as any other kind of cheating. There are like 3 people I would use that on, at most. And this is after weeks and weeks of attacks. There aren't many that can genuinely be shown to be doing that. I've been playing for over a year, and I'd still only block a couple of people. I think drastically reducing the amount of people you can fight is really only hurting yourself in the end.

 

Anyway, it was just a thought, I really don't need to keep repeating the same points and clogging up the board. Thanks everyone for your answers.

 

My studio players have had plenty of other complaints that caused them to stop playing, so there are other things to consider affecting player satisfaction, other than this.

[RosyCheekz]

Back when I first started out I had a similar experience. A particular player like 20 levels above me kept hitting me 3 times in rapid succession EVERY day. It felt like two steps forward and one back every time I'd get close to a success. I honestly didn't think to complain to them, the studio I was in at the time was not very supportive and nobody thought to mention it. So I just quietly fumed to myself and was almost on the verge of dropping out. But fortune smiled and I got in with a more supportive group who explained (indirectly, by my monitoring the chat) that this was kind of a standard practice and it wasn't personal.

   The best revenge was that I'm now so much stronger than that player that I could curb stomp them with impunity, though it'd only get me 8 glory a pop. Not worth the effort. So just keep on keepin'  on and pay them back in spades when you get the chance. Not much help now, but something to think on. Let them see how it feels. Of course if you have some friendly tougher  acquaintances who can visit them now...

                    Rosy

[Shirnah]

I've read this thread with interest. Attacking someone, even repeatedly, for "economic reasons, I can understand and I have no problem with that.

However, I've received a threat from someone to attack me continuously because I rejected his proposition for some sort of kinky sexual roleplay. He made it quite clear that he was going to carry out these attacks out of malice. Is there anything I can do in these circumstances?

[TaraBing]

Hi Shirnah,

 

Certainly.  The social aspect of the game does not allow for harassment in that form.  Please file a complaint via Support Ticket, it all begins with that.

 

• Click here: >> Support and then select OPEN NEW TICKET on the left side.
   
• Give the support staff as much information, including and up to images (as attachments) documenting your case and submit so they can rule properly on the incident.
   
• Keep the ticket number generated handy for follow-up.  The ticket number will also be sent to the email address you used in the ticket.

 

Best of luck separating the creeps from your peeps...  

 

-TB 

 

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