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[wuffy]

You have got to be kidding me?   There is no way you can blame the Wheel of Doom on having a Convention Temple after just having one.   If you want server-wide boycotts, then you are going to get your wish.

 

Apparently everything we ask for in these forums is a waste of time as we seem to get the exact opposite of what we having been pleading for months now.   Give us a selling temple and not a Convention temple for the 2nd time in 3 weeks for crying out loud.

[mountbara]

So, unlimited casinos over and over again, convention temples as often as possible. It really looks bad, it does.

[wtkillabee]

There appears to be problem in communication. Since messeges aren't being communicated, we shoot the messenger. it will show that either playata doesnt care about them and our opinions, or that messenger messed up. Either way we learn where we stand.

 

Boycoting it would be nice, but i dont know how we make it big enough for them to notice. It would take few convention temples of top studios not doing anything for everyone to get the point, in case playata gives a fk at all.

[wuffy]

Definitely urging all of my members on 4 different servers to do as little as possible on the upcoming Convention Temple as well as not to feed the greedy with any diamond spending.   I also know a few other boss's and will ask them to do the same.  

 

This really sucks and no one wants to be dealing with Conventions right before Xmas when real life is hectic enough.

 

I hope the Devs will take note but sadly most likely a handful of players will outspend everyone combined on these horrible temples.

[lulustarr]

I, for one, don't really blame the developers for this.

 

They are running a business.  The business has to make money or else the game dies.  Convention Temple Challenges and unlimited Casinos bring in the most money for them , so they skew that way.  Should they listen more to their players?  Certainly.  But let me ask you: if you had invested in the game, what Temple Challenges would you suggest?  I would have suggested as many Convention temple Challenges as possible.  As a player, though, I dislike this announcement.  It is tone deaf to say the least.

 

The problem is that with so many servers, new members are too spread out and the game reached its peak over a year ago.  There is not enough "new blood" to keep things interesting. On the US2 server, things among studios have been so static that it is boring.  Sure, some people move around but the fact is the majority of trophies have remained where they were and studio glory rankings seem cemented.

 

I don't support this announcement of a Convention Temple Challenge one week after the expiration of the prior one.  I am already in semi-retirement and I figure I'll hang up my level 600 when I get there and just coast if I play at all.  Long gone are the days of the best players squaring off and there being interest.  The roster of all time best players is down to Mountbara, zoy, Shanine and Joanna.  The  other true greats like eagerbeaver (best player ever) and Vivianne, et al., have left the game in the past.

 

Remember the game two years ago?  Three years ago?  That was fun.

 

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season.

[wtkillabee]

You have a point, but there are ways to do it without so many cons, cassinos, or updates that make game more pay2win. There are few quality of life changes they can do to make game better aswell but they dont seem to care about those. Its just cashcow that they'll milk until its not profitable. Doesnt that make anyone that spends diamonds think its just a matter of time before servers shut down andit all goes away. There are ways to refresh the game and add onto it to keep things interesting, instead we get more stuff to spend diamonds with little to no gains for few k diamond prices or mental requerments for free players. There are plenty ways playata can make their money with this game even if no one buys diamonds, its just greed and playing on peoples desire to get an edge over others.

 

On nu2 that started few months ago, 2 players got 7-8k sp boost around lvl 100 which doubled their stats and making them 1st and 2nd strongest players on server over night. They were lower then top 10, but now no one can touch them. I wont say its only factor nu2 playerbase is around 120 or so people, but it surely made me rethink why i bother spending time or anything to min max stuff when someone can just throw money and auto win.

 

Playata is greedy and poorly ran, simple as that. I tried almost all games on nutaku, this one has highest potential to be actualy good game. They just dont focus on proper stuff so it's going to shit. Their game so they can do what they want, its us players who are idiots for investing so much time/effort/money into it.

[NaughtyLuv]

RIGHT, we need a selling temple soon, like next week! before The 2020 is over, also.

[hotlipps]

It is a business, guess what everyone be Jolly and Merry! They want to pay their employee's a bonus for the Holiday season also. For those of you who work would you like it if someone stopped buying a product from your place of business. That is what always seems to take place here in the forum. We get free players complaining about unfair advantages some things like casino gives to players who bring a larger purse to the game.  Without the concept that it is those players who buy the products from the game that keep the game alive. Personally owning a business and wanting to give your employee's that something extra this time of year is a wonderful thing. 

 

 You can choose to be scrooge this season or not but please this is not the first time they have ran convention temples like this. Nor will lt be the last so dig deep pull out a couple coins spread some Christmas cheers and do it with a smile.   

 

                                                                  Merry Christmas to all   that is what is really going on it will be over soon enough.

[Caitlin]

There are better temples upcoming (I promise). Last week was an event (without convo requirement) and likely there will be an event hitting next week during the convo temple, which might be the reasons behind them hitting so frequent.

 

 

Sorry, dparadise, but that's a really poor excuse. As you said, the last event was without convention requirement, so they really can't use that as justification for having the convention temple coincide with it.

[zoy]

A every businessman knows if your product is priced or marketed wrong, no one gets a paychek much less a bonus.  In free to play bame models, if the competitive edge provided by pay to win is too great, right oe wrong, it will be perceived as cheating and unfair. It destroys the competitive and sence of accompanist elements of the game.  Not even to mention the issues with cost/value the game has, the social value of the game is not strong enough to compensate.  So why are we playing?  

 

To quote a recent overview paper on free to play model:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322234515_The_Free-to-play_Business_Model

 

“Here, competition is considered as a motivating factor when the

gamer strives to become the best player possible and show off to

others, especially in his circle of online friends [9]. This can be

what Park and Lee [22] describe as character competency value,

meaning that gamers purchase virtual items that make their game

character(s) stronger in some way.

However, many gamers have a negative attitude towards this

kind of motivation as gaining competitive advantage by using

money is regarded as a form of cheating, enabling so-called “pay-

to-win”. This especially holds true for hardcore online games in the

online gaming environment where personal skill counts more than

it does in social games [19]. Nevertheless, it can be an effective

purchase motivation if it is implemented in a way that it is not

perceived as cheating [7].”

Edited by zoy, 12 December 2020 - 05:20 PM.

[hotlipps]

Have any of you ever had a website up on the internet first you have to pay a host to put up the website at a yearly expense. Then if you are not knowledgeable of script writing you need to hire someone who is another expense  then presenting it to the world with products to purchase now involves hiring lawyers to protect from law suits that may arise. You need graphics designers. and I can continue to add to the list of cost to run a website through advertising and a whole host of other issues.  

If you have been playing the game for several years now you should have noticed by now that this time of year a bigger push is presented by our host with competition events where money is used. More by the players part of the internal workings of the game gives info to the host where they evaluate what is most profitable to them and in turn they present it to us the user's. 

 

As in the real world competition is everything and so hold true here in the gamming world if products are offered to give those who can afford them an advantage guess what they are going to purchase those products which there is nothing against it in the rules. 

 

IS IT CHEATING not according to the host only in the players minds is it considered cheating. Having a fairly large group of very active players in a group using those products in a manner to make it seems as if they are not using the product is no different than have one or two players in a less active group using the products to achieve the same success as the more active group is doing only in a more sneaky manner.  

 

As in the present temple this week Charisma mission their is a group putting up very high numbers in points. Lets examine what is really happening with these so called free players who recently one tried to control the game over the casino issues via a threat to leave the game and that was 4 casino's ago and are still here playing today spending diamonds. Math of the Charisma missions each player gets 300 energy to use in a day divide that energy by 3 equals 100 points can be made if a player is lucky and gets charisma missions at 3 energy all thru the day. and with a possible 15 to 20 more points if some of those missions are 2 energy.  

 

I don't know how the game plays for others but myself I do not get 2 and 3 energy charisma missions over and over unless when I have no more I refresh the map page at a cost of 70 diamonds and continue to find those low energy charisma missions and unfortunately you do not always get any and have to refresh the map again. These players in that studio have been putting up 400 temple points each day that is 4 times the amount which would translate to having to use 1200 energy in one day. Another feat that requires more diamond spending. 

  

So lets not point fingers at the very obvious money spenders in the game when they feel their studio is at a disadvantage as opposed to a studio that is 30 active players who are using money products but in a manner that is just being sneaky to make them look like good players it is all the same. And it is not cheating to use a product offered by the game so until it is put in the rules as such re- adjust your attitude it is only within your mind it is cheating. Time to stop complaining about the single excessive money spenders in the game when their are so many players trying to be sneaky with the use of their money spending in the game. It is the whole of all the players making purchases of the money product that drives the host to put forth the competitions they feel will make them the best return in the form of money. 

[mountbara]

Interesting ideas Not spending anything on this temple, we'll see how it works out

Have any of you ever had a website up on the internet first you have to pay a host to put up the website at a yearly expense. Then if you are not knowledgeable of script writing you need to hire someone who is another expense  then presenting it to the world with products to purchase now involves hiring lawyers to protect from law suits that may arise. You need graphics designers. and I can continue to add to the list of cost to run a website through advertising and a whole host of other issues.  

If you have been playing the game for several years now you should have noticed by now that this time of year a bigger push is presented by our host with competition events where money is used. More by the players part of the internal workings of the game gives info to the host where they evaluate what is most profitable to them and in turn they present it to us the user's. 

 

As in the real world competition is everything and so hold true here in the gamming world if products are offered to give those who can afford them an advantage guess what they are going to purchase those products which there is nothing against it in the rules. 

 

IS IT CHEATING not according to the host only in the players minds is it considered cheating. Having a fairly large group of very active players in a group using those products in a manner to make it seems as if they are not using the product is no different than have one or two players in a less active group using the products to achieve the same success as the more active group is doing only in a more sneaky manner.  

 

As in the present temple this week Charisma mission their is a group putting up very high numbers in points. Lets examine what is really happening with these so called free players who recently one tried to control the game over the casino issues via a threat to leave the game and that was 4 casino's ago and are still here playing today spending diamonds. Math of the Charisma missions each player gets 300 energy to use in a day divide that energy by 3 equals 100 points can be made if a player is lucky and gets charisma missions at 3 energy all thru the day. and with a possible 15 to 20 more points if some of those missions are 2 energy.  

 

I don't know how the game plays for others but myself I do not get 2 and 3 energy charisma missions over and over unless when I have no more I refresh the map page at a cost of 70 diamonds and continue to find those low energy charisma missions and unfortunately you do not always get any and have to refresh the map again. These players in that studio have been putting up 400 temple points each day that is 4 times the amount which would translate to having to use 1200 energy in one day. Another feat that requires more diamond spending. 

  

So lets not point fingers at the very obvious money spenders in the game when they feel their studio is at a disadvantage as opposed to a studio that is 30 active players who are using money products but in a manner that is just being sneaky to make them look like good players it is all the same. And it is not cheating to use a product offered by the game so until it is put in the rules as such re- adjust your attitude it is only within your mind it is cheating. Time to stop complaining about the single excessive money spenders in the game when their are so many players trying to be sneaky with the use of their money spending in the game. It is the whole of all the players making purchases of the money product that drives the host to put forth the competitions they feel will make them the best return in the form of money. 

[MamaQueen]

Actually, there is nothing interesting, or even remotely pertinent to facts, in what hotlips wrote. As usual.

 

In the US in particular, there is an ongoing assault on facts, orchestrated at the highest levels (good riddance, there is some light at the end of the tunnel) and perpetrated constantly by a horde of people – in all facets of life. Facts have been replaced by ‘feelings’, and the and most fundamental virtues in any society by “the hell with everybody else, I do what I want as long as I can”.

 

Some people here act like being high rank means that they are some sort of genius. Friends, this game is literally a ‘fucking’ simulation, there is nothing complicated about it. You get to the highest ranks by playing constantly for years, by paying cash, or by any combination of the two. Normally the market self-regulates because people who pay cash tend to do that in moderation, defining it as staying within 2 standard deviations from the mean (let me explain in layman words: if the average player spend $20 a month with a SD of +/- of $30, it’s OK until people stay within $80 / month). But once in a while we get the outlier; an individual who has only one goal in life, playing this ‘fucking’ simulation of a game, and working to make enough money to spend it all on this game; an individual with no moral compass whatsoever, for whom lying is the norm, bullying and trying to belittle others is a way of life, and bending the rules is OK because…. insert here any justification, it does not really matter.

 

If the developers open the doors to outliers, the game crumbles to pieces. I mean, who is willing to spend time and a moderate amount of money when you just make impossible a fair competition with the outlier, who is spending at least 10 times as much as the big-spenders and 100 times as the average guy? Somebody who regularly pays off team members to get voted in the BBA, to compete in the temples, and even bribes players in other studios to his own bidding? Now imagine opening the casino every other week – unlimited attempts of course – to this ruthless, single-minded individual. It would be like giving unlimited powers to a wannabe dictator (sounds familiar?). Well, they did just that and the short-term consequence is that the outlier will be #1, competing with… nobody.

 

The game has been ruined. Yes some people will still play, some will even spend money, but the reality, dear developers, is that catering to outliers is never a good move. Even in Business 101 they teach you that a thriving economy needs to cater to the middle-class… lots of people who buy just enough to have fun and make things interesting, but don’t overspend to crush the competition.

 

Guess what happens when the outlier will be #1 and people won’t compete any longer? Your only good source of income will stop spending, and the game will be over. Once the middle is crushed, the outlier cannot sustain you any longer. You have a perfect example already in game, something that already happened, voting for the BBA. After months of high income due to the competition of the outlier with, well, everybody else but the studio he was in, now the competition has been crushed. Nobody but the outlier is spending money on it, and so even the outlier can spend very little to achieve a perfect victory - promoting in the top 10 only members of this studio. Look now at a very simple alternative: make refresh attempts limited. I don’t know, max 10 attempts / movie. With this simple rule, people other than the outlier would still have a chance and still playing it, thus giving a smaller but constant revenue. You got a lot of cash during the apex of the competition, but now you get almost nothing. Was is it worthy? Let’s see in 6 months if it was worthy crushing everybody but the outlier with the unlimited casino.

 

I already know that my words will be controversial at best and distorted by others and nothing will change. The end has already been written, it’s clear the developers are trying to cash in before closing shop. So, good luck to you all, good luck to the outlier, soon to be the #1 player, and I hope that place in Mexico will still be open when the game closes, I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes when your main goal in life will be over.

[Caitlin]

As in the present temple this week Charisma mission their is a group putting up very high numbers in points. Lets examine what is really happening with these so called free players who recently one tried to control the game over the casino issues via a threat to leave the game and that was 4 casino's ago and are still here playing today spending diamonds. Math of the Charisma missions each player gets 300 energy to use in a day divide that energy by 3 equals 100 points can be made if a player is lucky and gets charisma missions at 3 energy all thru the day. and with a possible 15 to 20 more points if some of those missions are 2 energy.  

 

I don't know how the game plays for others but myself I do not get 2 and 3 energy charisma missions over and over unless when I have no more I refresh the map page at a cost of 70 diamonds and continue to find those low energy charisma missions and unfortunately you do not always get any and have to refresh the map again. These players in that studio have been putting up 400 temple points each day that is 4 times the amount which would translate to having to use 1200 energy in one day. Another feat that requires more diamond spending. 

  

 

 

Sorry, but your maths is totally wrong. Or maybe you've just misread the temple instructions? Each charisma mission gets you 3 points, not 1 point. Each non-charisma skill mission gets you 2 points. Your example of getting 3 energy charisma missions all day would get you 300 points, not 100 points. 

I'm also not sure why you'd be paying 70 diamonds to refresh the map page, when there are currently refresh missions readily available to refresh the whole map. 

 

Throw in the fact that many of us save energy vouchers from successes and collections to use in these kinds of temples, and we could also save any vouchers received from Dickstarter missions and duelling for the five days leading up to the start of the temple, and it was easily possible to score 400 points a day without spending any more than the 100 diamonds for a mission booster, which isn't an excessive amount for a free-player to raise. Oh, and there's also the advent calendar that has occasionally rewarded energy (and diamonds) too. I can promise you that you certainly don't need to get through 1200 energy to score 400 points.

 

I don't think any of that could reasonably be classed as playing in a sneaky manner. Maybe next time you're feeling aggrieved at studios scoring highly, you should just read how the point scoring actually works.

Edited by Caitlin, 15 December 2020 - 06:17 PM.

[Anna97]

to second caitlin, i kept track today: 77/100 energy. no trickery, just planning and keeping an eye on how rng works. thats all. stery is surely spending extra diamonds, dont know about the others. he makes 200 points in a few minutes, now THAT is impossible without "trickery".

[Terrorsin]

I think Playata should work harder at getting advertisers.  I wouldn't mind watching commercials to reduce mission time.  But I would rather be mediocre than be paying too much for a free game.  And are the big spenders really paying programmers' salaries on this game?

[hannahhandy]

Wow, the convention just massively failed on NU1, only 5M out of an 8M target (with the top star doing 480 shows, yeesh). This is during a week when it's needed for both temple and the Christmas event. Everyone is just fatigued and burned out on convention temple